Jul 04 2009
The Declaration of Independence
Before I go into my real post back in politics, I’m sure my previous two blog posts have some people wondering what I’m up to. I have made my case. My arguments were not disproven, but broadly dismissed with no support. I was accused of circular reasoning, while my detractor showed his ignorance of what it means. However, I will discuss it no more. Ecclesiates tells us there is a time for everything and right now isn’t the time for more religious debate. I gave 6 things that could not be true without God and was told it isn’t a solid argument. In that case, neither is dubito ergo cognito ergo sum. Further discussion would be like talking to a brick wall and will only serve to upset people.
So now I will go onto the subject of Independence Day (not the nondescript title “Fourth of July”). I won’t editorialize, or talk about the President. I simply submit the colonial grievances to you, ask them to compare them to your situation today, and hope that you will be thankful. Perhaps a few have recently been violated (like the assertion that the bailout is not subject to any court’s jurisdction), but from most we are free. Reflect on what these freedoms are and how much they mean.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
So now I will go onto the subject of Independence Day (not the nondescript title “Fourth of July”)
…really?
I guess if it’s going to be like that…
I can only assume that these allegations were directed at King George-or was it President George? I’m confused!! Help me out guitarman-I’ve fallen and I can’t get up. What a load of [language not needed]!!!!!
Justin it was prudent to simply call me ignorant and say no more about it, your postings wont pass the Socratic test and if you were to say more about it, you might get quoted and that would reveal that you are simply talking trash. Good luck too you young my I hope you wind up with 1/2 the knowledge you think you already have.
Dsent - This is not the place to discuss this. Further, if you had challenged a single one of my points on any logical basis, we might have something to talk about. However, you exposed the hardness of your heart by dismissing my claims summarily. I listed 6 things that couldn’t have happened without God. You provided no explanations as to how they could have been. Ergo, you gave me nothing to argue about.
Tailback - I have no idea what you’re talking about. This is simple a posting of the Declaration of Independence so we might look at it and see how little evil we’ve really been exposed to.
skwguitar - The Fourth of July has no significance. Independence Day does. If its about our Independence as a nation, there is no reason to call it any thing different.
Justin you are living in a dream world brah, Nothing you presented needed to be challenged because it didn’t prove anything. For you to claim something could not happen with out god is not proving god. Dig yourself man, 1st off you cant prove a negitive you cant prove something could not happen without god. So just your premise is messed up. You gave me nothing to argue about you simply claimed some things couldnt happen unless there is god. YOU said the burdon of proof was on you. Then you make the assumption something couldnt happen unless there was a god and try to then redirect the burdon of proof thats BS, dude, who taught you to argue, YOU proved NOTHING. And if this wasnt the venue you shouldnt have brought it up at the begining of your post. You called me ignorant that is an ad hominem argument fallacy attacking the arguer not the argument. Oh BTW your little friend shellebelle aka Sugar Pop, indicated that I hated her, and be sure I do not, she is much more reasonable than you are.
Dsent, have you ever heard of Cogito Ergo Sum? That’s the argument I use. For God to act, he must exist. This is called the instantiation principle. For proof that God has acted, I refer to places in the Bible where no one else could have acted. Because this proves God has acted, it proves God exists. Unless you’re attacking the instantiation principle itself, the only way for you to attack is to give me an example of how all of those things could have been done without God’s existence. Without a counter-proof, my logic stands.
Also, it was not an ad hominem fallacy. I said you were ignorant because you repeatedly misused what circular reasoning is. I did not use circular reasoning because I did not presuppose God’s existence any more than Descartes presupposed his own.
Acutally you misused cicular reasoning. But whats the point you are convinced that because you say something is an act of god that poof its magically an act of god. You have quoted Bible verses that does not prove god acted. Its a book with a quote. I can hardly believe you are serious. You position is untendable. You said you would prove god, all you are doing is shifting the burdon of proof and demanding that a negitive be proven. One can not prove god doesn’t exist, you cant prove magic fairys dont exist. I can simply say that god didnt act it was the magic fairys that acted (prove to me it wasnt the magic fairys). But I see no need for magic fairys or god. Nothing you said showed any supernatural effect. You just make declaritive statements. You say “where no one else could have acted” but you in no way show that it was an act of god you simply say no one but god could have acted. Declaritive statements are not proof. Really I am having trouble believing you are serious. You are terribly arrogant and you dont provide any support for what you say. You say the bible is the word of god and then you use the bible to pretend you proved that god exists. There is NOTHING scientific about that, its simply quoting the bible and saying see it must be god. WTF You are embarassing yourself. You are not bringing anything to the table here. But there is little point to the discourse if all you can do is quote the bible and pretend that proves god. Maybe you just don’t understand the scientific process but until you present something scientific you are simply talking out your ass. Bible quotes are not scientific evidence. Since you cant buy humility or grace you might want to pray for some because your know it all attitude makes you a terrible evangalist and a worse scientist. If you cant present something scientific then take a powder.